{"id":646,"date":"2008-10-17T01:18:51","date_gmt":"2008-10-17T06:18:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/onthe8spot.com\/?p=646"},"modified":"2008-10-17T01:18:51","modified_gmt":"2008-10-17T06:18:51","slug":"resumes-are-useless-from-the_codist","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/onthe8spot.com\/index.php\/2008\/10\/17\/resumes-are-useless-from-the_codist\/","title":{"rendered":"-Resumes Are Useless- from : the_codist()"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The whole pot was an excellent read. I&#8217;ve discussed my utter hate contempt &lt;insert\/hurl other insults here&gt; in another post (ok the post was more of a positive post on not needing resumes) <a href=\"http:\/\/onthe8spot.com\/2008\/03\/27\/good-developers-dont-need-resumes-my-take\/\">here <\/a>and <a href=\"http:\/\/onthe8spot.com\/2008\/03\/28\/good-people-dont-need-resumes-take-two\/\">here<\/a>.<br \/>\nThe lowdown is simple if you have the ability to learn something fast, If you have the mental structure to do good work fast (programming context: for java people its a good grounding in patterns, for other more advice language its a great understanding and experience in meta programming), If you have the requisite basic social skills to be considered a good to great co-worker, you would probably never want for jobs.<br \/>\nCo-wrokers would refer you, and most of the times the resumes is secondary to the recommendation.<br \/>\nYou work with someone for around 6 months and you probably know or have a fairly good idea of how well your co-worker learns, and in programming how ugly his or her code is.<br \/>\nIf what you are working on is relatively hard and with deadlines that require you to level up your work output, if you can work in a project with some one that has critical time constraints and is still a hard project or problem you tend to have an idea of how he\/she react under pressure.<br \/>\nThis is something that no certification, no resume will tell you, and a test short of on the job evaluation will never show you these skills or attributes of a person.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I did a really short term contract a year ago, only a single week, in South Carolina trying to adapt a &#8220;free&#8221; tool for a use it wasn&#8217;t really supposed to be able to do. I had never seen the technology before (an XML publishing tool) and it had to interact with a system I knew nothing about (J.D. Edwards) and a week was all the time I had to learn, master, hack and deliver. I managed to succeed in 4 days (the fifth was a half day of just documenting) despite all the barriers and left on a real positive note from the customer and the agency. How do you put this in a resume? An ability to do anything that&#8217;s needed by learning rapidly, applying a lifetime of skills and a creative mind. Yeah, that&#8217;s a real good resume line:<br \/>\nAble to rapidly learn anything you need and deliver professional results<br \/>\nTalk about a useless resume. Yet it&#8217;s true, but lost in a sea of lies on resumes the statement may as well read &#8220;234234 dsfsjkhsdf = %432&#8221;.<br \/>\nMaybe resumes are still necessary, since the industry can&#8217;t figure out how to match employees and employers with a better method. Maybe people should write tests and challenge anyone to pass them (I think some people have tried that) instead of trolling for perjury. Even that isn&#8217;t foolproof since tests can be googled and passing tests doesn&#8217;t really prove you can actually deliver (I once knew a guy who passed the Java Developer Certification but couldn&#8217;t write two lines of code together that worked). Maybe people should read your blog and see if you know anything meaningful. I don&#8217;t have an answer, I just wish there was one people could agree on.<br \/>\nMeanwhile maybe I will try with the one line resume &#8220;Will write good code for good money&#8221;. I&#8217;d like to do some short term PHP work in the DFW area, so a short resume would be a plus.<br \/>\nAt least it&#8217;s not a lie. Who knows, someone might believe it.<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/thecodist.com\/article\/resumes_are_mostly_useless\">the_codist()<\/a>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The whole pot was an excellent read. I&#8217;ve discussed my utter hate contempt &lt;insert\/hurl other insults here&gt; in another post (ok the post was more of a positive post on not needing resumes) here and here. The lowdown is simple if you have the ability to learn something fast, If you have the mental structure &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/onthe8spot.com\/index.php\/2008\/10\/17\/resumes-are-useless-from-the_codist\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;-Resumes Are Useless- from : the_codist()&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[16],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-646","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-career"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/onthe8spot.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/646","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/onthe8spot.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/onthe8spot.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/onthe8spot.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/onthe8spot.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=646"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/onthe8spot.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/646\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/onthe8spot.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=646"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/onthe8spot.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=646"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/onthe8spot.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=646"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}